Sunday, June 6, 2010

Wait...Why are we fighting?

Combativeness is on my mind today. I have been discussing the topic with my friends lately and the more I think about it, the more interested I become. Philosophy is combative. There is no way around it. The shades of grey are defined into black and white and every issue quickly turns into a antagonistic back and forth. As I began to read about the issue of “women in philosophy” I found frequent comments that the argumentative spirit of philosophy may be turning women away from the discipline. A career in philosophy means a career where you are constantly engaged in some aggressive argument (which will likely never be settled). As a woman (hmm why does woman suddenly seem to fit there), and a philosopher, I found this compelling. I am often frustrated with the argumentativeness that pervades philosophy. It’s not that I don’t want to talk philosophy, I do! I would just rather have a discussion than a fight, and usually the content will be much the same in those two scenarios. It’s the tone that changes.
What worries me on a professional level is my unwillingness to engage with people that want to fight. When a discussion gets heated and people begin to talk over each other, I pull out of the fight. I am simply uninterested in getting into a yelling match, and unfortunately, the points are often lost when the argument reaches this point. Interestingly, I have heard this desired echoed by many of my male colleagues, so perhaps it is generalizing too much to say this is a gender issue. There are a lot of us out there that just don’t want to argue. We want to figure out complex problems with philosophical methodology, but we don’t want to fight. 

Yet, so much of philosophy takes place in the seminar room, or in casual group conversations. These can often become disorganized and chaotic as everyone tries to make their voice heard. The loud prevail and the quiet sit on listening. In the classroom, this can be easily mediated by hand raising or a firm mediating presence, but in casual conversation (or the unmediated seminar conversations which so often take place) there is no established method for toning this down. In fact, the attitude of most is that this is how philosophy should be practiced. If you are quiet, you should learn to speak up. 

This, I think, is a mistake, and one that is detrimental not only to the quiet philosophers, but to the discipline itself.


I saw the downside of this behavior very clearly at a gathering of philosophers this week. Two of my good friends were engaged in an argument (with several others) and both were so eager to get their points out that they began speaking simultaneously to the group. They did not pause when they realized the other was talking, but continued on, each getting louder in competition with the other. I turned to another friend, another quiet philosopher, and we both shook our heads and chuckled at the strange situation. Both were so excited to make their point that nobody could understand what either was saying.


This is an extreme example, but unfortunately it is not that unusual. It seems simple but I think it is time to remind philosophers about the virtues of taking turns, slowing things down and actively listening. We’d hear a lot more. The quiet ones would get to make their points. The loud ones would actually be heard. Let’s stop competing with each other and start working together to a common goal. There is nothing about philosophy that necessitates fighting. So why are we doing it so much?

6 comments:

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  2. I'm not sure why we're doing it, but here is a guess: Some people like to do it. It's an adrenalin rush. It's exciting. It can also be a turn-off to people (often women, but also men, as you note) who then find other things to do with their time, leaving the loud argumentative ones to fight it out. As for why this tends to happen in philosophy... again, I don't know, but perhaps just because taking different positions is so much a part and parcel of doing philosophy.

    People who focus on only fighting are missing the best part of philosophy, imo. They are missing out on the great colleagues with whom you can explore different ideas, collaborate and co-author papers, disagree without being disagreeable. And those people do exist in the field! They're the ones not taking up all of the oxygen in the room. :-)

    I think it's also fair to call people out for taking up all of the oxygen, either when it is happening or afterward. If they are really so interested in addressing all of the "killer objections," then they should want to hear from everyone in the room, and not just those who shout loudly. (By the way, this is one way that some women can be disadvantaged -- some women literally do not have as loud voices as some men do!)

    Great topic!

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  3. I just wrote a really long comment, and your blog ate it. I'm about to start yelling myself. Ugh.
    Let's see... I wonder if the tone of debating in the field of philosophy would be different if the genders were more equally represented. I've definitely noticed that male philosophers are more combative in person, whereas female and male philosophers are equally combative in writing. But since you're talking here about how people interact in person, maybe you can participate in changing the dynamic just by laughing at your friends. I like that solution :)

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  4. i dont normally post on people's blogs. but i cant agree with you more. im a guy in political science and it happens here too.

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  5. I heard an interesting talk on this. When we are in love our souls are closer. So we do not have to shout. If we see two people in love they seem to talk under their breath. Sometimes they do not talk at all. On the other hand if we see two people whose souls are far away even though their bodies are close they seem to be shouting at each other!
    I guess the two philosophers had their souls far away from each other.

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  6. I feel people must develop mind without prejudice i.e. see or listen facts as they are without bringing Christian, Hindu or Buddhist minds as interference. If everybody will think that they are correct then who will be wrong. And everybody cannot be correct. Because every category of people have good people and bad people with them. There are saints and murderers in all religions and sections. So no single philosophy is perfect. They will be sometimes right and sometimes wrong. So if the wrongs are pointed out, argument should not be done. Instead something must be done to correct them. This is a way to make something perfect. One must listen what has been spoken and assess facts impartially. I really feel that women will make better philosophers because they are by nature "introverted". They can feel emotions correctly. And they have intuition too. I myself am a philosopher. You can visit my site http://waterbubbleatsea.blogspot.in/ and say something about my observations.

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